Balance...

topic posted Tue, February 22, 2005 - 12:22 PM by  Zachar
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Anakin was prophecized to be the one who will bring balance to the force, right? I've been thinking a lot about what that meant. By the time episode IV come out there are only two Sith, the Emperor and Vader, and only two Jedi, Yoda and Obi-wan. That seems to be, in a way, more balanced than hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith. Then there is the universe of the old republic, which does shift from a seemingly balanced world of light and dark, to a strictly controlled universe of the dark side. What balance was he supposed to bring, because deating all the Sith would certainly unbalance it all as well.

What's the word Jedi?
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Zachar
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  • Re: Balance...

    Wed, February 23, 2005 - 12:13 AM
    Well Anakin was prophecized as the one to bring balance to the force. He did it through his children Luke who dove in to being a Jedi once his Aunt and Uncle were dead. But in response to the ?. Luke found balance in the force through deealing with his father and knowing that he had to embrace the dark side to bring his father back from the dark side. Now on the other hand Leia refused to use her power because she was terrified of becoming like her father. Do you suppose she knew that she could'nt control her emotions enough to stay the path of the Jedi? Or perhaps she thought that she could'nt control the power that she had?What do you think?

    Though Anakin was doing alot of things that he though were right his perspective had been skewed by Palpatine since he was young. Anakin even admits this to Palpatine in AOTC, when Palpatine says "Your patience has paid off" "Your guidance more than anything". That is exactly how Palpatine gets him.

    • Re: Balance...

      Fri, February 25, 2005 - 1:23 AM
      Oh Whoa!

      Ben and Yoda vs Emperor and Vader....never quite saw it that way; but Ben and Yoda hid the entire time waiting for Leia and Luke to become old enough to safely train. Yoda and Ben never actually went after the Sith; and when Ben did fight Vader, it was only to create a diversion so the Twins could escape.

      I believe that Leia has always had the ability to competently control the Force. She has never to my knowledge ever drifted to the Darkside, even when Han became estranged, Little Anakin died, and Jason went missing; it was instead Leia's daughter Jiana that started to cross over, not Leia herself. Yeah for a time Leia was deathly afraid of becoming like her father, and it didn't help that her own Nigori body guard would call her "Lady Vader". This fear is what greatly hampered her training in the Force. She dose eventually accept her ability, but is still not as accomplished with it as Luke, due to her busy schedule of being New Republic Councilor, then President, then Ambassador, and then Cell Leader during the Vong war. Ironicly, Leia ends up with a Red lightsaber. I also found Leia's use of her lightsaber quite intresting, she mostly used it as a tool, not a weapon. It was more like a giant can opener that doubled as a flashlight. (Yeah I kid you not, in one book she used it to light her way though a power outage)
  • Re: Balance...

    Sat, February 26, 2005 - 10:20 PM
    You know come to think of it, when Vader?Anakin killed the Emperor and caused his own death, in a way he did balance the force. After that, the only trained Jedi was pretty balanced between Dark and Light. Luckily he did not give in to the dark impulses he obviously had.

    I should read the books though, I'd like to keep exploring.
    • Re: Balance...

      Sun, February 27, 2005 - 12:55 AM
      Technically Luke did turn to the darkside for a short time (not sure what book it was though, anybody out there know?). Though Also the Palpatine really isn't tech. dead either. Lucas has stated that any novel relating to Anakin/Darth Vader can only be written in the sense of retrospect , memory or in a dream reality.This reason for this is that he is dead. However, new novels can include new material on Palpatine, in any manner the writter feels fit to write about him. This is due to the idea that he has the ability to transfer his consciousness into blank clone bodies awaiting him.

      Though this I have ?'s about because if he does then why does he get so old throughout the entire sextology of film and why does'nt anyone write new novels about or including him?
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    Re: Balance...

    Mon, February 28, 2005 - 2:08 AM
    The Word Jedi is a play on the word Djed of the Djedhi, which refers to an Egyptian Priesthood . . .

    From my site : www.spirit-of-yggdrasil.com

    The records of our world have hidden the fact that our world civilisation is built upon the foundations of an ancient and extensive Serpent culture that spanned every continent of the old Earth. It was this culture that built the pyramids in Egypt, China and South America. It was this culture that left the Stone Circles and Oak Groves around Europe. All were built on Dragon Lairs, power places where the Earth Fire of the Goddess is strongest.

    The names of the ancient Serpent Priest/Priestess all share a common relationship:

    In the old British Isles, especially Ireland, the Druids were known as the Adders (Serpents).
    In Egypt the Serpent Priests were called the Djedhi, they wore a headdress with a golden ASP (Serpent) over the forehead.
    In China they Wise were known as the Lung (Dragons), symbolised by an azure-coloured dragon.
    In Peru they were known as the Amarus (Serpents).
    The Dragon Kings of the Mayans were called Quetzalcoatls (Plumed Serpents).
    In India the Gurus are named Nagas (Serpents).
    The Chaldeans of Mesopotamia were called Nargals, akin to the Nagas of India.
    South American Shaman are called Naguals. (There are over 8000 miles between Mesopotamia and South America!)
    Often these orders of Serpents were assocaited with the hard sound of the letter 'K':- Christ, Kumara, Quetzalcoatl, Quan Yin and Melchizedek.

    Everywhere there are stories of the Serpent. All refer to the Primal Dragon of Wisdom who called existence into being and to the Earth Serpent whose creative fire rises in the human body. Both the Earth Fire and the Cosmic Fire of the Primal Dragon is known as the Goddess Kundalini, life force. When the Earth Fire rises to the Crown chakra permanently and the Cosmic Fire has settled in the Root chakra, having enlightened all the other chakras first, one becomes a Serpent of Wisdom, a Dragon Lord/Lady, an Ascended Master. This is the collective destiny of humanity that the Double Rainbow radiates; we are once again becoming a race of Dragons/Quetzalcoatls, masters of the Serpent Fires and Keepers of the Gnosis.

    For an in-depth appreciation of our ancient world wide Serpent Culture read ‘The Return of The Serpents of Wisdom’ by Mark Amaru Pinkham

    AUM

    O
    • Re: Balance...

      Tue, March 1, 2005 - 11:41 AM
      Hi Ormungandr M,

      I read the Serpents of Wisdom and found it interesting, but also a bit frustrating. Like many other grand theorys of history it collapsed local history and cultural distinctions into a total narrative of original Origins. Like Cayce's theorys of Atlantis, or David Icke's theorys of the Nephilim(He thinks lizard/serpents are bad), their is a literalism in Pinkhams work which I find uncomfortable. I've also heard the Serpent/Lizard origins of our culture attributed to the R-cortex(reptilian brain) facet of our nervous system. In that we all evolved from earlier Lizard/Dinosaurs (r-complex) through to the Mammal/Monkey Brain(Limbic System), and our current brain(neocortex) we can all all be said to have evolved from earlier lizard/serpent culture.

      I'm not saying there isn't something to the notion of Serpentine origins of culture, just that I would like to hold such theories in a state of agnostic appreciation relative to other grand origin theorys of history.

      Just my thoughts...

      All the best,

      Mark
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        Re: Balance...

        Sun, March 6, 2005 - 3:12 AM
        Hi Mark

        It is good to take everything with a pinch of salt. Yet, the names of the Serpent Priests are unmistakeable.

        I too find Amaru Pinkhams work a little frustrating as he flits from subject to subject like a butterfly . . . excellent info though . . first class! He could do with producing larger books though!

        I just find the links too strong to be coincidence. I am not suggesting that these Priests were Serpents in the literal sense. I understand this reference to be a coded term that meant awakened master or luminous god being . . . ascended master equiv. . . . Djed Knight ~grin~

        I have to say that I see no similarity between Ike and Amaru Pinkham!

        So the base of our brain is serpentine . . yup . . . this is literal truth as far as I know . . . we have all the genetics of all the life forms of this world in our DNA . . . record keepers and stewards we are, if we are awake!

        Namaste

        O
        • Re: Balance...

          Wed, April 20, 2005 - 3:11 PM
          I didn't have time to read all that, sorry, I see Anakin as bringing balance to the force by defeating the Emperor (If only once) in Return of the Jedi, if Anakin hadn't been the Emperor's apprentice, Luke would have died, and the Empire would have won

          That's how I see it anyway
          • Re: Balance...

            Wed, April 20, 2005 - 6:09 PM
            Yes indeed this is true he seems to have kept the balance a cpouple of times. Since the emeror has the ability to take another form in the event of hid "death." After Darth Anakin kills the emperor and causes his own death, it is then only Luke and the empreror's new self each having to rebuild dark and lightside
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      Sun, May 15, 2005 - 3:14 AM
      I believe the balance refers to a chronological balance.

      Anakin goes full cycle through the stages of spiritual evolution. He "awakens" to his potential, he develops his power, he succumbs to temptation, gives in to pain and fear, resists his mortality, becomes his own beings shadow, etc., to eventually embrace his mortality, remember his true self, and evolve into a being of light, lending his spirit and energy to the force. (Also as a guardian to his lineage)

      Resembles our species path of evolution.

      Thank you Ormungandr- For another display of wisdom, this time relating to the origin of "jedi" I feel this connection to the "Djedhi" is true and reveals many things.

      On the serpent... the ancient cultures connected the serpent "medicine", or wisdom relating to regeneration, rejuvenation, and rebirthing powers. There have been countless artifacts found with figurines emulating serpent images from what's now the areas of Europe, Africa, Asia, and North and South America. Some have dated to the 30,000 years ago, or more, times when the first Egyptian pyramids were being built. (A quick, limited, partial listing: www.susanlevitt.com/ar-serpwis.html) Much of this echoes what Ormungandr wrote.

      This is a connection with the serpent's power rebirthing through it's lineage, awakening the process from origen to enlightenment. I see many direct parallels with Anakin to Luke.

      If you want to trip on all of this, try googling Djedhi, maybe eliminate "serpents of wisdom", or you'll run into the same thing, again and again. Ormungandr's site comes up early on, look for it.

      Note: If you run into a lot of "White Brotherhood" stuff- don't panic it's not a racist thing at all. It's really the same group as the "Serpent brotherhood", just a little more evolved. Although with the current tension on being politically correct, they would have been better to return to the previous name. There's a great book MAP, by Machaelle Small Wright, explaining their current connection to our species, and how to access the "White Brotherhood" as a personal medical team. It's no coincidence that the present medical symbol has the serpents on the staff. Of course, it's all relative. Google that as well.

      -Shereen
  • Re: Balance...

    Thu, April 21, 2005 - 1:53 PM
    Perhaps the word balance here can be read to mean a forwarding of 'the cycle' that has been arrested in the current universe-situation at the time of the beginning of Episode I.

    It struck me as ironic and more than a little telling that the Jedi choose to make their headquarters on such a twisted, incestuous, labyrinthian tangle of technological entropy. And this is the heart of the Republic! A place where all food/ resources have to be imported from other worlds, trash is shot into the sun via giant, freighter-sized cannon-slugs, and all but the upper-most (surface) levels of the planet are breeding-pools of crime and misanthropy.

    And the Jedi sit, quite literally, in an ivory tower above it all, wondering why their powers of prognostication are starting to fail them.

    At such a point, the karmic debt of such a socio-political environment might be-exactly-tyranny. The Republic is corrupt, and most of all ineffectual. Despite the fact that Sidious inspired the Clone Army attack, it remains true that the Republic were capable of being locked up in debate about whether or not it was okay that the Federation landed a Droid Army on somebody else's world! I am strongly reminded of Europe's attitude of appeasement towards Germany just prior to World War II.

    So yeah. I think Anakin's presence, and what he represents (an end of the universe-order that enables the situations I've described) is a kind of balance, in that Tyranny will be welcomed for its efficiency in a system which harms people with its lassaiz-faire (I have no idea how to spell that) policies.

    Anakin had to be realized before the New Republic could be forged. The evils of a lax attitude toward justice had to be countered with the evils of the opposite mistake (the 'iron fist of justice'), before a true balance with the forces of the light could even be approached.

    Thats what came to mind, anyway. :)
    • Re: Balance...

      Sun, April 24, 2005 - 7:06 AM
      Jedi are keepers of the peace, they're not there to inforce laws on petty criminals, they're there to maintain diplomacy and democracy, whether or not the government is corrupt is not for them to decide, it's for the people to choose, for the Jedi to intervene in the workings of the Republic would take the choice out of good people's hands, though I tend to agree with Anakin's take on the world of politics, but I would hope I wouldn't try to change it given the chance
    • Re: Balance...

      Tue, May 17, 2005 - 1:19 AM
      Stoolpigeon,
      You and Shereen have very very good points. I just realized a kind of balance in the end after reading each of your posts. Before Anakin the universe was as you described it. Plus the Sith had been unseen for thousands of years. So there was, like the planet, a thin layer of superficial good covering a huge mass of sweltering and growing darkness. Then the empire happens and the polarity shifts to an opposite situation of the same thing. Huge controling evil and growing rebellion of good. When Anakin finnaly comes back from being Darth and "kills" the emperor he balances out the universe. There is no universal senate or empire. The universe becomes free to govern itself. Sure the new republic begins, but for a moment there really seems to be an even scale or organized rebels for good and all the other chaotic evil of the universe. Luke must rebuild the Jedi and I know the Sith comes back hehe one way or another.

      Thanks to you both and everybody else who has replied as well, I look forward to reading more ideas as well in the future.

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