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My confusion centres around why Obi-wan didn't kill Vader at the end of Episode III? I know that Jedis are supposed the seek diplomatic solutions and honor all life and bring criminals to trial but it seems to me against the Jedi code to leave Vader alive, suffering and all mangled up by the lava river.
Was he just so confused from all the fighting, etc.?
Thoughts?
obi9
Was he just so confused from all the fighting, etc.?
Thoughts?
obi9
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Re: Why didn't Obi-wan kill Vader when he had the chance?
Thu, June 9, 2005 - 8:11 PMit was pretty clear to me that anakin was still willing to kill obi-wan. there was a point where I thought he could save anakin, then the situation and anger toward obi wan was too great.
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Thu, June 9, 2005 - 8:13 PMas to why obi-wan didnt finish vader off...I'm not exactly sure. -
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Wed, June 22, 2005 - 10:37 PMBecause it was not possible. The light side of the force pushes through and continually grows. It only transcends. Vader thought he was serving evil but he was really only spinning his wheels!
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Thu, June 9, 2005 - 9:14 PMHard to see the dark side is...
From what I can tell Anakin died and darth Vader was revived by papatien using the dark side, as he was taught. This would confirm that Anakin was indeed killed. Who was darth Vader after he brought balance to the dark side? It was Anakin who was resurrected by the light side of the force. All of this IMHO. -
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Thu, June 9, 2005 - 9:59 PMWhat does IMHO stand for? In my honest opinion?
Also what do you mean by <Who was darth Vader after he brought balance to the dark side?> Would you kindly elaborate Master Jedi?
I hadn't thought of the difference in the manner you speak. Very intruiging it is. -
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Mon, June 13, 2005 - 7:23 PMAsking questions leads you to the enlightenment of the force... truly you have asked and so I must reply...
Remember when Darth Vader through the emperor into the pit in episode 6. After he did this Luke removed his helmet and looked into his father's eyes. He was conversing with Anakin the one who brought balance to the force by tossing Palpatine to his death. I believe that darth Vadar died and the Force brought Anakin back to life long enough for he and his son to have a moment in time. -
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Mon, June 13, 2005 - 8:50 PMBut that still doesn't answer my (original) question! -
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Tue, June 14, 2005 - 9:06 AMI think the point of it was that he and Anakin were friends. When it came to the moment of truth, he could maim him, but Obi-wan couldn't kill his friend and student, bottom line. He probably thought Anakin would die from his wounds, and arguably, he did, but the Emperor brought him back. -
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Tue, June 14, 2005 - 11:15 AMI don't think Obi-Wan walked away from the wounded Anakin because he was Jedi... or even out of a sense of mercy. I believe that, in the end, seeing the extents of his old padewan's wounds, the merciful thing would be to end Anakin's life. Not necessarily out of a sense of saving the galaxy the threat of a fallen sith lord, but to ease the passage of Anakin's life. I honestly don't think Obi-Wan could stomach the killing of his friend. I figure he thought Anakin would die of his wounds. And, when it became apparent that he hadn't, Obi-Wan most likely blames himself for the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. As I believe Yoda did as well, now that I think of it. Hence why they went into quiet seclusion rather than organize the resistance of free-thinking galactic citizens. IMHO
Walk in Peace.
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 12:44 PMit was not the will of the force.
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Tue, June 14, 2005 - 11:39 AMA Jedi doesn't kill a helpless opponent. Obi-Wan certainly wouldn't want to kill his apprentice and co-adventurer.
Where does the Jedi code say anything about mercy killings? A Jedi isn't a dispenser of justice. -
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Wed, June 15, 2005 - 7:51 AM"The Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy... before the dark times. Before the Empire." - Obi Wan Kenobi, Episode 4. -
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Thu, June 16, 2005 - 4:13 PMWhat does a mercy killing have to do with Justice anyways?
Wouldnt the point of a true "mercy" killing be to end the suffering of the one you are to kill?
In my opinion, Obi-wan didnt finish Aniken off for one simple reason:
HE WAS A PUDDLE OF GOO!!!!
Hey...
What's got no (real) arms and no legs and claws it's way out of a lava pool by a robotic appendage?
A PUDDLE OF ANIKEN, that's what.
Who in the entire galaxy would think that would be survivable?
And indeed, Darth Sidious DID find Aniken barely clinging to life by one finely stretched fiber of a thread.....
The Jedi went into seclusion knowing that Darth Sidious was still alive and out of nessessity to avoid thier own destruction at the hands of the Clone Army and the Empire, as well as to see to it that Luke and Leia were protected. I'm fairly sure that Obi-Wan didnt even realize that Aniken had survived his wounds until at least a few months, if not years, down the road. After all, he was as shocked as anyone else to lay eyes for the first time on the Death-Star when he and luke tried to hitch a ride to Alderaan with Han and Chewy. How the hell do you miss out on the construction of a space station the size of a moon, unless you simply turn your galactic TV into a planter box? Yet he didnt know. So I am willing to lay odds that he truely believed Aniken to be dead when he picked up Ani's lightsaber and went casually jogging up over the hill. -
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 1:05 PMVicktor Said:
How the hell do you miss out on the construction of a space station the size of a moon, unless you simply turn your galactic TV into a planter box? Yet he didnt know.
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A. have you ever heard of a Black Project?
B. Do you think there is freedom of the press in the Empire?
No one (outside the Military) knew of the Death Star until Alderaan went Bye Bye.
Knowledge of the DS would have driven most systems into the rebel camp. Because DS can only have 1 purpose - Domination -
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 2:53 AMIncase you didn't see the end, Obi Wan told Yoda he had failed to kill Anakin, obviously because he loved him (as he had said to Anakin before leaving him)
Yoda and Obi Wan did not go into hiding to save themselves, you should know Jedi wouldn't do such things, they couldn't lead a Rebellion because they are Jedi, it's hard to explain but easy to understand, it is not the place of Jedi to lead, they can't impose their will on others, they protect peace and justice, it's up to the people of the Galaxy to decide what that is
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Thu, June 23, 2005 - 12:47 PMPromoting a society where peace and justice can reign is a bit different than actually enforcing or adjudicating justice, much as the role of a social worker or politician is different from that of police officer or judge. -
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 2:35 PMI think Lucas used that scene to enhance the build up effect throughout the movies of Anakin causing his own pain and believing in it without exception; (also with help of palpatine of course). and to portray the absolute blinding control this mentality had over him to the point that even hot lava couldn't change his sense of betrayal and sense of lack and sense of self at the time. Ever wanted to kick someone's ass and couldn't be talked out of it?
Only Luke was capable of transmuting Vader's pain that he was twisted in and gave Vader the experiences he needed to come out of it. Would a mercy kill by obi-wan at the lava scene end Anakin's suffering or just his life? Sometimes people need a lot of fire before they put themselves out. Or 2 trilogies.
Or you could skip that lengthy spew and do as my best friend the movie guy used to tell me whenever I had a question- "it's in the script" I just watched alien vs. predator yesterday that's a pretty good one eh? -
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 2:56 AMI love Alien vs. Predator.. Could have been better though, Colin Salmon always dies too soon! The soldiers never really fought the Aliens, I took the piss out of a friends girlfriend, saying she was the Alien who lifted the Predator and ate his brain.. She caught me doing the impression.. Embarrassment.. Lol
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Thu, July 28, 2005 - 4:53 PM
i think we are probably reading too much into it.
obi-wan didn't kill vader when he had the chance because it would have made the movie oh so much more dull.
Lucas needed Vader for the movies because he's the ultimate dark knight character to captivate an audience. Lucas came up with that "You should have killed me when you had the chance" idea back in 1978 (or whenever) because it made the story that much more interesting.
i don't believe Lucas really delved deep into obi-wan's soul to come up with a motive which is why he never told us in the script.
personally i think lucas tells a compelling story which became popular because it resonates with us on a mythic level. It's basically the Matrix, lord of the rings, The Bible,... epic heroes journey right?
Tell me this.. Why did Pad-Me just lose the will to live after giving birth to twins which may be the last hope for the Jedi? I thought she was a queen and a warrior... does that follow with her character ?
no.. I don't think you can delve too deeply into the motives of many of the characters. lots of them i think don't seem to make alot of sense but still make a fun story.
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 1:58 PMI think Padme lost it because she saw the man she loved turn into a monster. That is enough for many people, even strong ones, to loose it. -
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 2:01 PMAnother thought...
Obi-Wan killing a helpless Anakin wouldn't have been noble at all.
I grew up in a military/martial artist family and they always taught that there is no honor in beating a man when he's already down.
I would have thought Obi-Wan would have been a punk if he killed a man he just crippled. -
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 3:56 PMYeah, and you gotta admit Anakin really did look like he was finished. No legs, fucked up pretty bad, slipping down into lava, no ride off the planet. If I was Obi-wan I would have pretty much assumed he was done. -
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 6:12 PMPlus I assume that it would have been easier to leave him to his apparent fate of death by lava than to swing the fatal blow himself. Anakin killed himself when he jumped at Obi-wan despite that fact that Obi-wan had the high ground. -
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 6:13 PMOh, and Anakin still had to bring ballance to the force.... ...eventually. -
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Mon, August 1, 2005 - 9:40 PMBullseye!
That is the real answer. I'm surprised no one else talked about it.
Yes yes yes... they all had the right ideas: Jedi mercy, being friends, all that. But all through the prequels, they (the Jedi) kept asking themselves about the Proficy: The chosen one who will bring order to the force. If Anakin/Vader dies at the end of ROTS(III) then he cannot be around for ROTJ(VI) to throw the emperor into the chasm and bring balance to the force. And no, he never stops being Anakin Skywalker... despite what Ben says. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 12:14 PMMaybe Anakin did bring balance to the force by killing Jedi. The light side of the force was in major power. The dark side was small. By killing most of the Jedi he evens out the numbers of Jedi vs. Sith. Also when Vader kills the emporer in ROTJ (esp 6) and then he dies that leaves Luke as the only trained user of the force. And Luke is more netural than light or dark. Therefore balance is achieved either way, IMHO. -
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Thu, August 4, 2005 - 12:22 PMThis may be true in a way, but the fact that there are more Jedi than Sith as a matter of more power I'm not too sure. Yes there are more Jedi but the Sith carry more power so the numbers are very inconsaquental (is that right?). So forward we go. Yes Luke has learned to balance himself between light and dark, but if you read the novels and take them as part of the time line Luke does go over to the dark side for a little while. So I believe trhat the only way that Anakin actually brings balance is through the twins. -
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Sat, August 6, 2005 - 11:34 PMI kinda cheated and read some stuff about the continuation of the Jedi/Sith struggle past the death of Vader/Anakin Skywalker.
Luke actually gives in to the Dark Side and becomes a Sith Lord (Something to do with the enduring and sentient ghost of Sidious/Palpatine). He then has to face Jedi Knight Leah Organa-Solo. Appearantly, she brings him back to his senses and he become Jedi again and there are no Sith Lords for a long time.
There is another story later about these Jedis in peacetime who start to meddle with things and discover Sith powers and doctorine. After some inner struggle, these Jedi realize that as long as the Jedi Order exists, there is the seed of the Siths return. The Sith and Jedi, it is found, are ONE.
In lieu of this knowlege, these Jedi disband the Order.
So, in the history of the Jedi/Sith struggle, it teeders from one side to the other. The ultimate balance is in the voluntary (thus TRULY heroic) demise of the Jedi.
(kinda brings a tear to your eye, don't it?)
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 12:56 PMChosen one didn't really enter into it. Obi-wan Clearly believes what Yoda had said earlier about the prophecy by this time ("A prophecy that may misread have been.") You hear this in the last few lines Obi Wan says to Anakin
"You were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them.
Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness."
Anakin:"I hate you."
"You were my brother Anakin, I loved you."
The novelization makes it clear: killing Anakin would have been an act of mercy, but Kenobi had Padme and the baby to worry about, and he wasn't feeling that Anakin DESERVED mercy. Vader had shown none at the temple.
Plus if Kenobi kills Vader, George Lucas would have to make new Special Editions to replace Darth Vader with Warrick Davis playing the new villian Willow D. Force..... -
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Fri, March 17, 2006 - 6:02 PM~I simply interpreted it as Obi-wan sensing and fillowing the will of the Living Force, in action during his battle with Anakin and in non-action as he walked away. He was, after all a Jedi and attuned to a higher source and 'voice'; also a padawan of a master who himself always followed the inner stirrings of the Force even when they conflicted with the decisions of the Jedi Order and had so taught his apprentice to do likewise~
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Mon, April 3, 2006 - 11:30 PMTell me this.. Why did Pad-Me just lose the will to live after giving birth to twins which may be the last hope for the Jedi? I thought she was a queen and a warrior... does that follow with her character ?
Good point, no that doesn't follow character, but then by that time Lucas had made such a mess of both their charcters with crappy romance scenes that it doesn't matter! -
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 12:40 AMNo it really doesn't follow her character but she says something to Anakin early on that may give a little light on this though. She makes a comment about love blinding Anakin, I believe that she was so enveloped in what he wanted and how she felt about him that she allowed herself to loose who she was. She wrapped herself into a bubble when it came to Anakin. the problem was that eventually that bubble had to burst and when it did it literaly killed her.
This phenomenon has been actually documented in studies. Though it has not been done with humans, but it has been documented that the concept is feasable. This doesn't mean that it is right for Lucas to use it as a grounds for killling off a major character, but as I have said before it is his story to tell and not ours.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 10:29 AMare you guys leaving out the fact that anakin kicked the shit out her life force a few moments before? the fact that she survived enough to birth the children is a testament to her strength in my eyes, not the failing will of her character. -
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 10:54 AMWell actually he only choked her, he didn't drain her of anything. I think that it was a small part if anything of her dying. I truely believe that she simply lost her will for life. Without her "soul mate" she is left with nothing. If you notice as the movie progresses she slowly becomes weaker and weaker. Her strong will slowly disappears and she becomes more and more determined to stand by Anakin and blinds herself to what is happening with him.
Even when she is confronted with the truth from Obi Wan that he has turned she still denies it, but a part of her knows. It is just in the end that she fully realizes and understands what has happened. She takes it in and realizes that her meaning in life is gone. -
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Sat, April 8, 2006 - 6:21 AMYeah cause having two babies isn't enough reason to live or anything.
Lucas did some good work, and that just was out of place it would seem.
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Sat, April 8, 2006 - 9:46 AMin defense of my above theory,
do we really think that having a darkside avatar gripping you around the neck is 'only' choking you, Im willing to say that.. there is a lot more impact than a mere choking.. anger channelling the force has got to have some deep-seated kick to it.
>>It is just in the end that she fully realizes and understands what has happened.<<
and thats what REALLY bothers me about the movies.. Lucas has three full films to set up the magnitude of the fall, Anakins turn to the dark side.. What kind of emensity could he have conveyed, the bottom dropping out of the universe, huge vast, emptiness .. pain.. enternal silence yelling.. true cosmic darkness.. I mean.. and almost nothing.. it was the most impotent conveyance of a 'turn' ..
Lucas drops the ball.
The great operas and epics of human expression turn in jealousy to have a chance at so many harnessed archetypes, and to so wonderfully illustrate the 'turn' .. to have the chance to do that.. and .. pop... fizz.. "I can feel your anger.."
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Sun, April 9, 2006 - 5:02 PMNowhere else in the Star Wars MOVIE universe do we see any effect from being choked other than lack of oxygen. General Taggi survived prolonged choking with not after effects until the death star blew up. Captain Needa, Admiral Ozzel died of suffocation or having their neck snapped. Lando Calrission had just a sample of being choked and he lived through the whole saga without any lingering effects.
and yes the Turn was lame. I had hoped that the fight between Obi/Ani should have mirrored Luke&Obi Wan Vs Vader in 4-6 -
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Sun, April 9, 2006 - 5:33 PMjust to bing it out a little further --
in all your mentioned dark-side chokings, the choker was a more refined adept in the school of sith - Anakin in this scene is fresh off the boat in harnessing his anger to channel the force.
2 - in all your mentioned examples, the choker is excercising cool meticulous excercises of maintaining power and order. In this scene with Anakin, he strikes with the full passion of complete anger, fear, betrayal and heart-broken. The difference between a seasoned killer and an impassioned teenager.
I still think there is chance that greater forces are used on infliction than mere choking.
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 2:58 AMI believe Palpatine killed Padme, to destroy everything that grounded Vader to Anakin, and Obi Wan didn't kill Anakin because he couldn't!
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 11:14 AMvery good theory. And do we disinguish in individuals excercising power non-locally and the ultimate guise of the dark-side? is it that as individuals are seduced by the darkside, they become tools and pawns of the darkest intents of the universe..? -
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 10:25 PM"I know Darth Vader's really got you annoyed, but remember if you kill him then you'll be unemployed."
from "Yoda" by Weird Al Yankovic
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Thu, April 20, 2006 - 7:21 PMin re-reading my post, its extremely difficult to understand what I was trying to say.
The theory above is that the Emperor killed Padme, to destroy Anakins strength. He would there for have been excercising non-local powers. Completely viable concept.
At that point though, we're saying it was the Emperor's conscious will to kill her. So I was raising questions about the difference between the will of the force, and the will of individuals. Some might argue that to be with the force, is to submit one's egoic self will to the greater will of the force, I would disagree, and say that is submitting to external subduction.. closer to darkness than life.
So then, as one is seduced by the darkside, is their personal will more just an illusion, simply a tool now conducted by the darkest intents of the darkside. -
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Fri, April 21, 2006 - 5:54 AMWow.... I mean.. wow. That's pretty heavy stuff man.
So does Palpatine control the dark side, or does the dark side control him... We may never know. I don't think that Palpatine himself could ever really know either. I mean, he could live his whole life, thinking that he was in control, but in all actuality, he was just a pawn of the universe. It really just turns into that whole existentialist question of fate verses choice. It's like some strange metaphor for life!
Maybe Padme's death was the will of the universe, and Palpatine could just sense it coming and took advantage of it. Maybe he had nothing to do with it at all. -
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Fri, April 21, 2006 - 6:16 AMI tend to associate free will , diversity of culture, individual exploration and discovery as those of the light.. the force. The natural order of biology.. of the physical universe as the greatest expression of the nature of the force. Naturally(pun pun pun).
And then homogenious anything, (culture, spirituality, political organization(ie: no senate)) are the manifestations of the darkside rising in voice. In homogenius existence - individual flourishing does tend be subverted to the order of the day, (ie fascism(even though they have way cool costumes)).. and Im thinking that this might go to the most root depths of an individual existence.. that once you submit to the dark to tap into its power.. well, it just keeps leading you on like a manipulative girlfriend till you have no idea who you are anymore.
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Sat, April 22, 2006 - 5:08 PMIf the force is indeed split into two separate "entities", then if the Lights side has "the will of the Force, then so must the Dark side. However the Novelization of ROTS make it clear that Mace Windu is able to channel dark side power through his Vapid fighting style and yet remain untainted. But Padme's losing the will to live, as much as the concept of a strong character like Padme doing it sucks, IS a valid way to die. Doesn't require Sidious's input at all. I always have taken Sidious's "you killed her as a conveniant lie to focus Anakin away from her. I also believe the "Frankenstein" sequence was not meant to be real time, and therefore by the time that scene arrives, Sidious knows she's dead, but lies about how she died. -
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Sun, April 23, 2006 - 7:30 AMI would agree with most of that...
Rather than the lie serving to focus Anakin's attention away from her, I would say it serves to drive the stake of guilt more completely into his heart..creating a very powerful source for pain, fear and anger.. a nice foundation to build from . ;)
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Tue, April 25, 2006 - 7:29 AMI would say it goes both ways. The more of an empty vessel you become for whatever force you more closely resonate with, the more it moves through you, acts through you. I believe that either light or dark, ones decisions would be directly influenced by that force. Except the lightside would promote awareness of that fact, whereas the darkside would probably not...letting you think you were still in control.
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Tue, April 25, 2006 - 10:33 AM>>Glad to see the meaning brought back to this tribe.<<
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Wed, April 26, 2006 - 8:35 AMWhether or not palpatine killed Padme is kinda beside the point, decide that for yourself, he used her death as a means to rid Anakin of any remaining "light side", by making him think he was so evil, kinda worked against him in the end when Luke was there, but Palpatine had destroyed Anakin internally in order to better control him, the Emperor was the only "family/friend" he had left, Anakin being racked with guilt over Padme was fairly apathetic as to whether anyone around him lived or died
Btw, what do you mean by calling Mace Windu's technique "Vapid" ? It seems really lively to me
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Wed, April 26, 2006 - 8:40 AMI don't see the Force as having it's own will, it's the sum of it's parts, it's neither good nor evil, how you use it is what determines whether you are good or evil
I neglected to read that question before my last post
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Fri, April 28, 2006 - 4:38 PMIn the Novelization..... Windu and Kenobi are discussion the possibilities of what Dooku has shown Grievous. It names the fighting styles used by various masters. It named Winu's Vapid.
And It is perfect considering how it is framed: Windu uses Darkside energy without Thinking or or vesting. A CONDUIT -
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Mon, May 1, 2006 - 6:00 AMI see what you mean now, but his fighting style is not what's vapid, he is -
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Mon, May 1, 2006 - 6:20 AMvapid
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Mon, May 1, 2006 - 11:22 PMThe masters name their own style. And while I'm sure that Mathew Stover is the one who named it such, it is supposed to have been named by Mace himself. But regardless like the names versus the very generic Form1, 2, 3, etc. -
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Mon, May 8, 2006 - 11:31 AMWhatever Mace Windu calls his fighting style is obviously his choice, but I think anyone would agree that it is anything but Vapid. There's a ship called the "Kitty Hawk", but it doesn't fly around catching mice, savvy?
And as for the conduit bullshit, Mace isn't a conduit for the dark side, he just happens to get pissed off with whoever he's fighting, Palpatine seems to thoroughly enjoy his fights, good for him, if you can't have a little fun what's the point in having a lightsabre?
I'll say again, for my own amusement apparently, the force isn't good or bad, it is the will of the wielder that makes it so, the force doesn't need to kill or protect life, it's made up of everything, living or dead, although it only seems to be organic.. Midichlorians..
I don't see how the terms "Form1, 2, 3, etc." is generic, but if you'd like to use that word a little more, feel free. I couldn't give a shit about the novelization, I doubt this forum was created to be perfectly true to the films and books. Each person takes their own experience from all of them... Kinda like the force.. This is supposed to be a Jedi order, not the encyclopedia of Star Wars
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Re: Why didn't Obi-wan kill Vader when he had the chance?
Sun, June 4, 2006 - 10:44 AM
The reason Obi-wan didn't kill Vader is obvious.
Because it makes for a good story!
In A New Hope Vader says to Obi-wan "you should have killed me when you had the chance" .. this is a great intrigue builder and makes for a compelling plot element.
Obviously Lucas had to then shoot that scene in the prequel. The reason it's confusing however is because he didn't seem to put much energy into making the motivation for letting him live very believable. A jedi would just walk away to leave their old time friend (with the highest metaclorian counts on record) turned mortal enemy to die limbless on the molten lava bed? ya right! anyone with a brain (or a heart) would finish that job.. especially after so much work went into it. i was really disappointed with how underdeveloped this scene in the script was.
The same thing with Padme's death. In the Original Star Wars trilogy we learn that Luke and Leia are twins and that their mom was dead and their dad was Anakin. Now that makes for a good story. Unfortunately, IMHO, the writing of the prequels once again fell short of really selling these developments.. Why did the warrior princess mother of two baby twins who might hold the last hope for the salvation of the Jedi die in the end? "it was like she just lost the will to live" hmm.. i'm supposed to buy that? Padme's character was way to strong too let down her children (and the universe!) by a lack of will..
I think in the case of the Star Wars prequels it's probably best not to read too deep into the characters motivations and best to just enjoy the story in a more superficial and archetypal kind of way. that and the great visuals of course! :-) -
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Re: Why didn't Obi-wan kill Vader when he had the chance?
Fri, June 16, 2006 - 5:36 AMWe already went through Padme, I though Palpatine killed her, he could sense Anakin from across the galaxy, so, seems reasonable to me.. And Obi Wan is not a cold blooded murderer
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Re: Why didn't Obi-wan kill Vader when he had the chance?
Tue, February 3, 2009 - 9:27 AMIn lightsaber combat, the goal of the Sith is to kill their opponent, while Jedi always seek to save life (even the life of an enemy). A Jedi will only kill his enemy if he fears that the enemy is too dangerous to be kept alive.
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Re: Why didn't Obi-wan kill Vader when he had the chance?
Tue, February 24, 2009 - 10:58 AMPerhaps he really did believe that he would be the one to bring balance to the force... with the force being even further from balance then it was at the beginning, killing little ani wouldn't make things right.
also we have time paradox's to think of here. how could obi wan defeat the emperor in the future by training Luke if... (lol spoiler alert) Luke and Vader never team up.
simply, I think that he didn't kill him for George Lucas's wallet, and because you cant kill main players at intermission.
ooo there also wouldn't have been the awesome "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" scene if he was dead