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according to a book I've read called Mind of the Ninja by Kirtland C. Peterson, the ninja actually find truth in the darkness inside themselves. They try to explore the darker sides of life without losing their "inner flame" that keeps them - themselves. They do this for personal power and understanding and as a tool.
This seems completely different compared to the jedi who maybe almost suppress their emotion and darker sides. Anakin obviously wasnt able to and did gain alot of personal power as Darth Vader. He also lost his "inner" flame, at least for a very long time.
Any thoughts? I just sort of liked this view alot more than being good all the time.
This seems completely different compared to the jedi who maybe almost suppress their emotion and darker sides. Anakin obviously wasnt able to and did gain alot of personal power as Darth Vader. He also lost his "inner" flame, at least for a very long time.
Any thoughts? I just sort of liked this view alot more than being good all the time.
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Re: Ninjas
Mon, April 18, 2005 - 3:54 PMLife is all about balance the Yin and Yang. Truth is found within yourself and so are the lies.
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Re: Ninjas
Mon, April 18, 2005 - 9:44 PMI have always thought that true understanding comes from balance. Extremes of any kind are detrimental. If folk are too "good" without access to evil, there is pride and suppression of anything remotely gray... even to the point of rejection of passion and yearnings... that can lead to extinction. If you're all evil, then the excess is hedonism and materialism... the pursuit of power (which is purely transitory so why bother?) and of personal pleasure, everyone else be damned. The true path to power comes from understanding both aspects of reality as extremes and attempting to use both to the betterment of all.
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Tue, April 19, 2005 - 1:36 AMI think first yo have to look at the roles of the ninja and jedi.
Ninja are messengers, spies, assassins, warriors, servant, hidden guards, and sabatours mainly.
Jedi are negotiators, peace keepers, warriors, ambassadors, council, and healers among many other things.
So from the get go there is an entirely different intent in the raising of ones power. Plus once a jedi became a true master of themselves they are able to look within themselves and see their darkside without succumbing to it. In all the movies there is an emphasis on the begining skills of the Jedi, and how one learns to remain in the light. We see very little of what the masters do in the movies. Once the padiwan becomes a Jedi they have a greater ability to learn about the darkside without being drawn into it. Once they learn to supress them under all conditions can they explore their darkness, the darkness of the universe, yet great care is taken to remain outside that darkness. Ths keeping hold of their inner flame. Anakin was not in control and was also being manipulated by Palpatine. He was not calmly looking in at his darkside, he was letting it take over, and so he lost himself in it. Not to mention he becomes mostly machine.
Great care must be taken in looking into the darkside. A wise Jedi master once said "You look into the void long enough, and the void looks back into you."
And so i think that it is similer in a way to the ninja, because they train their whole lives to do what the do. A ninja must look into themselves and know every aspect of their being light and dark. They are on that line between the two
To truely know one self in mind/body and emotions you know your enemy because we are all mostly human. I'd say ninjas are like grey Jedi in control of their emotions.
I love ninjas and Jedi, soon full scale training will begin.
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Re: Ninjas
Mon, May 23, 2005 - 6:28 PMThe Ninja
(from: On the Warrior's Path: Philosophy, Fighting and Martial Arts Mythology by Daniele Bolelli - 2003 Frog Press)
Three hundred and sixty degrees away from the samurai lives the ninja. Both his powers and his weaknesses are opposite to those of the samurai. The ninja is the outlaw, the anarchist, the iconoclast. The philosophical conflict between samurai and ninja is a universal thme, in feudal Japan just as among Homeric heroes. Aiax is a samurai, Ulysses is a ninja. Aiax an unshakeable mountain, full of pride and of his boundless strength, ready to fight face to face against an entire army. Ulysses, a shadow warrior, strikes when the night is dark and disappears before sunrise. He doesn't need to fight where the battle is fiercest to demonstrate his courage. Silent and unseen, he achieves what ten thousand warriors charging straightforward cannot accomplish.
The ninja doesn't acknowledge any authority to laws alien to his heart. "I didn't create them -- he declares -- I don't subscribe to them. So I don't have to live by them". The samurai looks at the ninja with contempt, considering him nothing more than a nocturnal predator without honor or morals. But the samurai is wrong. It isn't that the ninja has no morals. Simply, he is not bound my rules written in stone. His morals have their sources in the paradoxical waters of Taoism. He doesn't dogmatically apply a series of preset rules and, like Tom Robbins' outlaws, doesn't need to consult a manual of good behaviour to decide what to do.
The ninja chooses to choose. Always. Every situation is unique and should be faced as such. Neither human nor divine laws can choose for him. Faced with the events of life, he stays open, flexible. The legend tells that the ninjas were born from family clans that lived in the mountains far away from the headquarters of the central government, in small communities that had abandonded the social order in order to dedicate themselves to the creation of an autonomous culture. Ninja philosophy -- myths say -- has its origin in the meeting of some exiled Chinese warrior-shaman and groups of Japanese families who had no intention to remain within the dominant feudal society. From the syncretism of certain aspects of Tibetan Tantrism, Taoist texts on the art of war, and some yogic techniques belonging to secret sects of Buddhism, they created a vision of life radically different from the ideals of medieval Japan. When society decided to crack down on the lifestyles of these mystics of the mountains, the ninjas used their skills to defend themslves and turned into indomitable warriors.
Ninjas didn't fight for glory ahnd didn't have a reputation to defend, so they also didn't have any scruples about using every possible mean to protect their families and their lifestyles. If the ninjas had fought in the open against an enemy who enjoyed a vast numerical superiority, they would have been blown away. So, in order to come out on top, the ninjas had no qualms about rewriting the rules of the game. No unnecessary risks. No foolish bravado. Accomplish what you need to accomplish and disappear before being discovered. Physical and psychological guerilla warfare was the ninja way to give battle.
The myth speaks of the ninjas as cultural heroes, mystic outlaws, tribal Robin Hoods. But there is also a second historical reality to the ninjas. Because of the great effectiveness of the ninjas, the warlaords hired anyone whose moral reservations were weaker than their loyalty as mercenaries, special agents to be used for those tasks going beyond the ethical limits of the samurai. However, the line between outlaw and criminal shouldn't be crossed lightly. One breaks society's laws but remains faithful to his code of honour. The other has little honor to speak of and is willing to do anything for material advantage. The ninjas of the myth -- freedom-fighting outlaws animated by a deep philosophical vision of the universe -- didn't always find embodiment is the actual historical ninjas, who were often little other than killers without principle for whom success justified any means. The delicate Taoist relativism of the former was absolute relativism for the latter. The border between the flexibility of the mystic and the cynicism of the criminal is what stands between the dark and the light side of the ninja.
The ninja and the samurai are the opposite poles of a perfect antithesis, but they both draw water from deep sources of power and they both can turn into horrible mutations with no resemblance to their potential splendor. Hidden in a philosophical forest, somewhere halfway between the ideal of a samurai and that of the ninja is a warrior who knows how to escape the slavery of moral imperatives without turning into a mercenary without any dignity.
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