great disturbance in the force

topic posted Tue, June 7, 2005 - 5:15 PM by  Shereen
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I feel there's been a great disturbance in the force.

After leaving episode III I felt out of balance and ill for three days. It was not because the film ended on a down note. That was inevitable. After meditating on it I've concluded that:

GEORGE LUCAS has gone to the dark side.

Why, I haven't clarity at this time. But maybe some of you have. There were always the rumors that it was not his brilliance that created episode IV at all, but perhaps stolen from Alan Dean Foster. This is a lot more believable now. There is no way that episode IV and III are from the same spirit in any way.

Let alone insulting any true fans with the numerous inconsistencies in III. I shouldn't go into it all, but an obvious one was Leah's conversation with Luke where she claims to remember her mother being very beautiful and sad, etc. Oh yeah, we're supposed to accept she got that 75 seconds after birth. I could continue, but it is unnecessary.

The true give away is that Lucas paints an entirely weak and pathetic image of the Jedi, their ability, power, and use of the force throughout episode III.

It's hard to believe it was pure Hollywood glamor that drove him to do it. He must have read the reports of hundreds of thousands of people world wide who claimed Jedi as their religion on census forms. As well as the well known reality that for many people the fleshing out of the concepts of the Force has become their true connection to their own personal power and an opening to their spirituality. Lucas has to be aware of the intense influence the Star Wars saga has had on the collective spirituality of the species.

So why did he do it? Why did he make the much anticipated seduction of Anakin Skywalker to the dark side so weak and pathetic. This one soul turning is going to make quite an impact on their entire galaxy, he annihilates Alderon, etc. Let me get this straight Anakin turns to Darth Vader because of a nightmare? That's it. WEAK!!! His diluted shift to the dark side made jedi look weak, made the force seem like a set of mind games, it makes the dark side look like no real threat. What type of emotion did this evoke in his audience. Not a lot. I was groaning, with "Oh, please, how pathetic" disappointment. Now when Anakin slaughtered an entire tribe of Sand people after his mother dying in his arms, that was more believable. Each member of the audience could question their own feelings, and wonder if they too would have done the same. But a nightmare with no real detail, who could relate?

What about Padme? What was Lucas's intention there? Her character was developed as strong, intense, sworn to duty, and very much like a Jedi herself. Now what is the image Lucas leaves us with? Pathetic, absolutely pathetic, and out of character. Lucas has her die of nothing. A broken heart, how pathetic. Padme, Leah and Luke's mother who served her duties with all her soul. We're supposed to accept that she just "loses the will to live" while being called to the highest duty any woman ever could be, motherhood. She names them without hesitation, and then rolls over will less and dies of nothing. Was Lucas trying to make us sick? Leah remembers her mother, Padme was also strong with the Force. Well, not any more! Lucas just rewrote history and made it ugly, spirit less, and pathetic.

What about the numerous Jedi he showed being taken out by a few cloned storm troopers. Like they wouldn't have felt the shift and seen it coming. Lucas didn't even have the decency to have thousands taking down each Jedi. Since when do storm troopers take out main characters anyway. They had been shown previously as hardly able to hit a target the size of a barn. Let's all forget that Obi Wan said that Darth Vader assisted the Emperor in hunting down and destroying the Jedi, not a few storm troopers. Why would Lucas now choose to make the Jedi look so weak, unintuitive, and pathetic?

Tell me anyone left the theater sympathizing with Anakin or Padme. I bet most people left feeling weak and nauseated the way I did. Lucas let down his true fans. He also let down those who considered Star Wars a true awakening to our inner power and spirituality, those who are developing the force, or who live or practice in the ways and faith of the Jedi.

I've had to exert personal energy to try to shift my emotions continuously since the 19th of May. My judgment has been clouded with hateful emotions... I just can't see at this time why he did it.

If this sounds like an exaggeration, or a bit over doing it. I ask you what image of Jedi you left the theater with? How did you feel? I invite you to search your feelings.

-Shereen
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    Re: great disturbance in the force

    Tue, June 7, 2005 - 7:42 PM
    well I left the theatre knowing the Luke is the ultimate jedi, and that he was going to clear everything up later.

    I think padme's shift from queen to girlfriend of anakin made her weak.
    I did feel sad even though I knew padme would die, jedi would be destroyed.

    I think leia could have remembered her mom. She is part jedi, and this is a fantasy movie.

    I dont think the movie was bad at all. It was awesome. It set things up perfectly for the other movies.

    It was really powerful despite any flaws and alot of work went into it this time around. Sooo I loved it. I don't think I've ever had as much fun and serious discussion about a star wars movie, so its really cool.
    • Re: great disturbance in the force

      Wed, June 8, 2005 - 12:46 AM
      OK I will say one thing and that is that your argument of Lsia remembering her mother while Luke has no memory of his.


      Bail and his wife adopt Leia hence her adopted name of Leia Organa. Which by the way happens to be Bails last name. So the mother she remembers is her adopted mother and not Padme.

      Padme dies of a broken heart. Perhaps you can see it as a weak reason, but it has been known to happen.

      The excuse of the Jedi beeing weak is plausable. They do become rather arrogant over their 1,000 years of control. The Dark side has been adapting as is shown throughout the new trilogy. The fact that Palpatine has come into a powerful position within the galactic senate and the Jedu have no clue shows that they have blinded themselves into believing that all is well in the galaxy.

      I agree with Allen that the position of Padme moving from Queen t oSenator to Wife is what made her weak.

      Anakins dream is quite meaningless really it is his fear of loss for his wife. Who like his mother is going to die and he knows it in his heart. He is looking for a way to keep that from happening. Enter Palpatine, he tells Anakin that he can teach him a way to keep Padme from dying. It makes sense from a certain point of view.
  • Re: great disturbance in the force

    Wed, June 8, 2005 - 8:54 PM
    As many things about the movie that I really didn't like there are many things I did enjoy about it.

    As Darth Rat said, Anakin was lured to the darkside by means of being baited with the possiblity of stopping death. Which he said he would do one day in episode II after the slaughter of the sand people.

    Though they showed the Jedi killings in linear order my only assumation is that it was indeed not one after the other, but a tacticle syncronized strike. That is the only way I could see the Jedi being gunned down so easily. Otherwise I am sure they would sense the disturbance in the force. They did only show the Jedi whom had been shown before and so there are most likely thousands of Jedi still out in the universe for Vader to hunt down and exterminate.

    Generally the Jedi's powers are left hidden in all the movies. There is so much more that they are able to do such as their healing abilities and more. I'm also dissapointed that they did not go further into detail about the darkside. There is so much more for each of them, we got a superficial amount.

    I really think that anakin's final turn to the darkside should have been marked by him destroying Mace Windu in a rage filled saber battle like Luke almost does to Vader in VI. That would have been bad ass.

    I need to see it again to really be up on this discussion. Who is up for watching all 6 of them in a day? A morning marathon of the first two, matinee the third, and then a joyous reliving of the original trilogy in it's glory over the new one.

    More to come soon...

    May the force be with you
    • Re: great disturbance in the force

      Thu, June 9, 2005 - 12:28 AM
      Z I plan on doing this when ep. III is available on video (yes I know what you are thinking). I say video because I have the rest of them on video and I will finish with ep. III on video. I will wait until the box set comes out with all of them before I buy them on DVD.

      But I digress I did th marathon when ROTS first came out made me love it (the story) even more.

      Also Z thanks for the positive comment. I see that rarely in such discussions. I agree with you about that sabre duel between Anakin and Windu, that would have been great.
      • Re: great disturbance in the force

        Thu, June 9, 2005 - 4:28 AM
        I am just going to concentrate on a single point.

        The reason why, in this story, Anakin Skywalker, turns to the dark side was because of LOVE.

        We have to overlook the cardboard dialogue of the film to get at this fact. Just look at the events in Anakins life.

        -He is born without a father, thus, his mother is EVERYTHING to him. No one should underestimate this kind of bond.

        -His mother dies. This is traumatic to Anakin.

        -His love for Padme is classic Frued. He transfers this intense attatchment to Padme.

        -He has precognative dreams (not mere nightmares) of Padmes death. It is a classic motif in mythology to try to prevent what is fortold. Frequently, in the effort to prevent what has been prophesized, they actually end up being instrumental in fulfilling the prophecy. Such was the case with Anakin.

        -He is lied to by Palpatine. This warps and twists his perspective. Paranoia starts to set in. It eventually overtakes him. Palpatine/Sidious also tells of the manner in which the Sith can use the Force to bring the dead back to life. To one who has been tormented by death, this can look VERY appealing.

        -He is filled with grief and anguish when he learns of Padmes death. The transformation is complete.

        I suppose to a great many people it might not make sense. The attrocious dialogue did not help. But looking past that at the story itself, it is clear that LOVE is what eventually brings Anakin down. His love for his mother and his love for Padme are what plunge him into the vulnerable state that Palpatine takes advantage of.

        As one who has lost a number of loved ones in both my childhood and adulthood, I will say that this made a whole lot of sense to me.

        Anguish will do that to you. I know this. It is unfortunate, but I do.
        • Re: great disturbance in the force

          Thu, June 9, 2005 - 1:38 PM
          I also thought it was quite nefarious of palpatine in the way he twists Anakins mind with his words. He says that there was once a Sith so powerful he could bring the dead back to life. The later he admits that he is not that powerful and doesn't know how to bring the dead back, yet promises they will one day be so powerful.

          If Anakin had really been listening he would have noticed that Palpatine doesn't actually have what he wants. As you said sS paranoia can make things very appealing, enough to overlook what is really being said.

          Very well said sS
          • Re: great disturbance in the force

            Wed, June 29, 2005 - 6:59 PM
            Let us remember that although in linear western 'time' this (Episode 111) is not
            the last word. Remember, 'Return of the Jedi' is the 'last' episode.
            Lucas, is most likely a human and an artist at that and every artist is a
            vessel, a messenger from what most would call 'God'.

            May the force live through you,

            n.
            • Re: great disturbance in the force

              Thu, July 21, 2005 - 8:52 PM
              I must agree that paranoia is a powerful feeling. I think that there is too much emphassis on what everyone is seeing as the downfall of the story and not seeing it as a myhtical story. I have been guilty of going too far with such things. Though I would never presume to know who is and isn't a real/true fan. I have loved these stories since I was 6 yrs old and Star Wars came to the big screen, without the tag of an ep. # or "A New Hope" attached to it. I don't agree with everythong that Lucas has done, but I respect him for telling it his way and not someone elses way.

              P.S.
              The question of the Jedi being weak and feable? I think this is easily answered in ep. II really when Yoda mentions the arrogance in the new Jedi. Then we see it again in ep. III with the fact that the Jedi order go out into the middle of a civil war and try to lead the Republic armies, as if they alone are the leaders of the Republic. The reason Luke is the rebirth of the Jedi is because he uses a diiferent approach in his style. He is not a strict Jedi persei, but carries the torch for both Jedi and Sith oddly enough.
              • Re: great disturbance in the force

                Sat, July 23, 2005 - 12:22 PM
                But was it 'love' or 'attachment' that took down Anakin? If he has simply seen his mothers passing as simply being her time then he would have been able to let her go. Don't Jedi believe in an afterlife/dimension? Yoda does of course as well as knowing how to communicate with them. So perhaps this is part of the jedi belief system that Anakin simply doesn't get yet. Although if he did perhaps he would have been able to let both his mother and lover go and accept it.
              • Re: great disturbance in the force

                Mon, July 25, 2005 - 2:07 PM
                Wow... Really well said Rat! Thank you.
                • Re: great disturbance in the force

                  Wed, August 3, 2005 - 11:51 PM
                  WT? you are welcome.
                  I think that Anakins true falling is that he had too many things to choose from. I mean first in AOTC he is given the choice of protecting Padme or going to his mother. He of course goes to his mother w/ Padme in tow because subconsciously she wants to be by his side. Then later he is confronted w/ the same choice between Padme and Obi Wan. Here though he chooses Padme and not his mentor.

                  Now you may be asking yourself "What is your point here?". Here it is he loves both his mother and Padme the same, but he is still lacking in a deep rooted emotional bond w/ Obi Wan.

                  So in truth he is more afraid than anything else. His true fall is that he cares for those around him. Even in the end all her really cares about is Padme. Though the Emperor steals away what happiness he has left by telling him that he is the real reason that she is dead. Great strategy for keeping him pissed off at the entire galaxy until his son comes to redeem him from his hatred.

                  Well maybe I'm way off and I really have no clues as to the real rtuth but hey it's only a movie right?

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